{"id":11342,"date":"2011-12-02T10:24:52","date_gmt":"2011-12-02T09:24:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.achteminute.de\/?p=11342"},"modified":"2011-12-10T20:21:37","modified_gmt":"2011-12-10T19:21:37","slug":"cambridge-vs-oxford","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.achteminute.de\/en\/20111202\/cambridge-vs-oxford\/","title":{"rendered":"Cambridge vs Oxford &#8211; Melanie Sindelar on the most famous IVs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p>Two of the most prestigious debating tournaments took place over the  last weekends, the Oxford (November 10 and 11) and the Cambridge IV  (November 18 and 19), and Achte Minute was there! Because there is a  long tradition of comparison between the two Universities of Oxford and  Cambridge, also this report will try to compare both tournaments since  IV stands for intervarsity, a competition between universities.<\/p>\n<p>The first tournament that took place was the Oxford IV \u2013 which  started on Friday (for international arrivals on Thursday evening) and  took place at the impressive Oxford Union buildings, including the big  and famous debate chamber. Unfortunately, the Thursday Night Chamber  debate and the promised presentation of master studies as well as the  cocktail party were cancelled, but the OrgCom tried to comfort the  people with a college dinner and a free drink.<\/p>\n<p>Friday afternoon started off with the first two preliminary rounds,  in the evenings they provided free drinks (lots of them) and a social at  a club nearby.<\/p>\n<p>On Saturday, the rest of the tournament took place with a break in  between to catch oneself some food in the town, where the Union set up  some deals with local restaurants and take-aways. In the evenings, we  got the promised hog roast, and there was so much left that everyone  could have a second one too. In between there was also a social at the  Union bar, and then the main finals started, which in the end were won  by Sydney A (<strong>Daniel<\/strong> <strong>Swain<\/strong> and <strong>Elle<\/strong> <strong>Jones<\/strong>), who defeated Durham A (<strong>Pam<\/strong> <strong>Cohn<\/strong> and <strong>Guy<\/strong> <strong>Miscampbell<\/strong>), UCD L&amp;H C (<strong>Mark Haughton <\/strong>and <strong>Aengus Boyle<\/strong>) and Cambridge D (<strong>Joe<\/strong> <strong>Roussos<\/strong> and <strong>Asish<\/strong> <strong>Kumar<\/strong>). The ESL final was won by Leiden A (<strong>Rogier<\/strong> <strong>Baart<\/strong> and <strong>Ali<\/strong> <strong>Al<\/strong> <strong>Khatib<\/strong>) defeating Utrecht A (<strong>Danique van Koppenhage <\/strong>and <strong>Thomas Beerthuis<\/strong>), BBU A ( <strong>Calin<\/strong> <strong>Muresanu<\/strong> and <strong>Radu<\/strong> <strong>Cotarcea<\/strong>) and Open Comm A (<strong>Goran<\/strong> <strong>Jankuloski<\/strong> and <strong>Milan<\/strong> <strong>Vignjevic<\/strong>).<\/p>\n<p>After the announcement of the winners, the tournament ended and  people were asked to leave the premises. For some reason people lost  their crash persons and ended up sleeping at some other persons places.<\/p>\n<div class=\"mceTemp\">\n<dl>\n<dt><a href=\"https:\/\/www.achteminute.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/achteminute_cambridgeIV2011.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.achteminute.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/achteminute_cambridgeIV2011-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"VDCH teams at Cambridge IV 2011: Upper row: Rauad Abagela (Kiel), Henrik Maedler(Independent Judge, former IUB), Melanie Sindelar (DK Wien), Thomas Sch\u00e4fer (Tilbury House) Lower row: Niels Schr\u00f6ter (Berlin), Isa Loewe (Mainz), Jonas Werner (Berlin), Janni Hinselmann (now in Bristol)\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" \/><\/a>\n<\/dt>\n<dd>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<\/div>\n<p>Cambridge  IV then started one week later, for those who booked the international  package, they also enjoyed the Union Thursday night debate.<\/p>\n<p>On Friday evening, the first two rounds started, between there was  time to get something from the grocery stores nearby and also tea and  cake was provided. After the two rounds, everyone enjoyed staying at the  Union bar and get free drinks with the \u2018free-drinks buttons\u2019 we were  handed out beforehand. For the sake of humanity, the rounds on Saturday  only started at 9 am (Oxford started their rounds at 8 am, and yes one  hour makes a huge difference), but we were reminded by <strong>Bob Nimmo<\/strong>,  the famous tab master who calls himself \u2018the small angry men in the tab  room\u2019 that we better ought to really turn up promptly at nine. (Which  most of the teams managed to do so.) Also the OrgCom provided a cereal  breakfast that was big enough for everyone to get a bite, even the  last-minute arrivals.<\/p>\n<p>Later in the afternoon the main break quarter-finals and ESL  semi-finals took place. The English seem to be obsessed about hog roast,  so again there was a delicious hog roast dinner (and, in both Oxford  and Cambridge, a veggie alternative), that led over to the finals and  the black-tie social with champagne and free drinks, as well as good  music! Those who didn\u2019t want to leave for bed after the social followed  some debaters to an after-party.<\/p>\n<p>The open final at the Cambridge IV was won by BPP A, <strong>Jack<\/strong> <strong>Watson<\/strong> and <strong>Doog<\/strong> <strong>Cochran<\/strong>. They defeated Oxford BC (<strong>Steph<\/strong> <strong>Bell<\/strong> and <strong>Jen<\/strong> <strong>Coyne<\/strong>), Oxford BW (<strong>Ben<\/strong> <strong>Woolgar<\/strong> and <strong>Hugh<\/strong> <strong>Burns<\/strong>) and Loyola (<strong>James<\/strong> <strong>Kilcup<\/strong> and <strong>Dearbhail<\/strong> <strong>O\u2019Crowley<\/strong>) in the final. The ESL-final was won by UDS A (<strong>Danique<\/strong> <strong>van<\/strong> <strong>Koppenhagen<\/strong> and <strong>Tomas<\/strong> <strong>Beerthuis<\/strong>), defeating Berlin A (<strong>Niels<\/strong> <strong>Schr\u00f6ter<\/strong> and <strong>Jonas<\/strong> <strong>Werner<\/strong>), Bucharest A (<strong>Serban Pitic <\/strong>and <strong>Radu Tiganas<\/strong>) and BBU C (<strong>Ioana Georgescu <\/strong>and <strong>Bianca Prunea <\/strong>)<\/p>\n<p>In terms of organization it seemed that the Cambridge IV was better organized, convener <strong>James<\/strong> <strong>Hardy<\/strong> had an open ear for everyone, even for some homeless debaters from Austria, getting them last-minute crash. Thanks!<\/p>\n<p>The Cambridge IV as a whole was more popular in VDCH country, with teams joining from Berlin, Vienna and Kiel. Berlin A (<strong>Niels<\/strong> <strong>Schr\u00f6ter<\/strong> and <strong>Jonas<\/strong> <strong>Werner<\/strong>) broke into ESL finals and took places 3<sup>rd<\/sup> and 4<sup>th<\/sup> on the ESL speaker tab. Also, the final was chaired by <strong>Isabelle<\/strong> <strong>Loewe<\/strong> (from Debattierclub Bonn, EUDC winner 2006, ESL). Congratulations to everyone!<\/p>\n<p>With regard to a recommendation to which of the IVs you should visit  next year: visit both of them and form your own opinion about the  tournaments and squeeze in a visit to London between!<\/p>\n<p>Here an objective comparison of both tournaments:<\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 722px\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"506\">\n<col width=\"150\"><\/col>\n<col width=\"156\"><\/col>\n<col width=\"200\"><\/col>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"150\" height=\"20\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">Oxford<\/td>\n<td width=\"200\">Cambridge<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"60\">Accessability   on web<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">FB-Page,   normal page broke down<\/td>\n<td width=\"200\">FB-Page   + Homepage with details<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\">Prelim Rounds<\/td>\n<td>5 to 7 minutes<\/td>\n<td>5 to 7 minutes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\">ESL-Break<\/td>\n<td>yes<\/td>\n<td>yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"3\" height=\"20\">Reg Fee<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\">Standard   Package<\/td>\n<td>85<\/td>\n<td>85<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"60\">including<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">2   socials, hog rost, crash for 2 nights, free drinks<\/td>\n<td width=\"200\">Saturday   Night Black Tie Social, free drinks, Hog Roast, crash for 2 nights<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\">International   Package<\/td>\n<td>105<\/td>\n<td>110<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"100\">included<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">Crash   for 3 nights, Thursday night debate, cocktail party, College dinner, lecture   on Master programs<\/td>\n<td width=\"200\">Crash   for 3 nights, Thursday Night Debate, Debating Workshops, Tour of Cambridge<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"60\">Cancellations   from Org<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">Thursday   night debate, lecture on master programs, cocktail party<\/td>\n<td>none<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\"><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\">CA`s<\/td>\n<td>Sayeqa Islam<\/td>\n<td>Harish Natarajan<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\"><\/td>\n<td>Ben Woolgar<\/td>\n<td>Shengwu Li<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\"><\/td>\n<td>Hugh Burns<\/td>\n<td>Nathalie Smith<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\"><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"40\">Winners open<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">Sydney A (Daniel Swain &amp;<br \/>\nElle Jones)<\/td>\n<td width=\"200\">BPP A (Jack Watson and Doug Cochran)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"60\">Winners ESL<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\">Leiden A (Rogier Baart &amp;<br \/>\nAli Al Khatab)<\/td>\n<td width=\"200\">Utrecht (Danique van Koppenhagen and Tomas Beerthuis)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"20\"><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<td><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"100\">Team &amp;   Speaker Tabs<\/td>\n<td width=\"156\"><a title=\"Tabs Oxford IV\" href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheet\/ccc?key=0AkFU5VBfVM1IdHRsbVhWMEtoaWIzc3VOUl9qbVJ0N0E#gid=3\">click here<\/a><\/td>\n<td width=\"200\"><a title=\"Tabs Cambridge IV\" href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheet\/ccc?key=0ArRKBUVNUbskdDV3T1pueVlURkM2cjdwNU9TT0RLZEE#gid=3\">click here<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Motions Oxford IV 2011<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Round 1: This believes that sex education classes in schools should  teach techniques for pure sexual gratification (including, but not  limited to, anal sex, oral sex, mutual gratification and masturbation).<\/li>\n<li>Round 2: This house believes that in developing countries aid organizations should be banned from religious proselytizing.<\/li>\n<li>Round 3: This house believes that trade unions and labour protection laws should be suspended during times of economic crisis.<\/li>\n<li>Round 4: This house believes that Israel should materially support Arab pro-democratic movements.<\/li>\n<li>Round 5: This house believes that a tax should be placed on  successful artists in order to fund new and developing artists. (Note:  Artists defined by the CA team to be the arts and the entertainment  industry)<\/li>\n<li>Open Quarters: This house believes that International Law should  allow states which accept refugees to sue the states they come from for  compensation.<\/li>\n<li>ESL Semis: This house believes that the LGBT movement should not support pride marches.<\/li>\n<li>Open Semis: This house would establish brothels on military bases.<\/li>\n<li>ESL Final: This house believes that the CEOs of the largest corporations should be chosen by the national democratic elections.<\/li>\n<li>Open Final: This house would establish geographical zones where the selling and consuming of any and all drugs are legal.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Motions Cambridge IV<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Round 1: This house would allow family members to forcibly commit proven alcoholics and drug addicts to rehabilitation clinics.<\/li>\n<li>Round 2: This house believes that all research organizations should  institute codes of conduct that forbid the creation of strong AI.<\/li>\n<li>Round 3: This house would provide financial assistance to inner city neighborhoods to prevent gentrification.<\/li>\n<li>Round 4: This house believes that China should make extracting a full apology for Japan&#8217;s war crimes a top strategic priority.<\/li>\n<li>Round 5: This house believes that feminists should not campaign against polygamy in poor countries.<\/li>\n<li>Open Quarters: This house believes that the use of conscripted soldiers should be a war crime.<\/li>\n<li>ESL Semis: This house would take the children of the Amish into care.<\/li>\n<li>Open Semis: This house regrets the rise of a distinct African American culture.<\/li>\n<li>ESL Final: This house believes that it is morally legitimate for  Occupy Movement to use violence to undermine capitalist institutions.<\/li>\n<li>Open Final: This house would break up Google&#8217;s search monopoly.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>msi \/ apf<!--more-->\n<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Two of the most prestigious debating tournaments took place over the last weekends, the Oxford (November 10 and 11) and the Cambridge IV (November 18 and 19), and Achte Minute was there! 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